User talk:William Lupinacci
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Hi, William! Is it possible for you to create the template users need when importing a WP article? It should state the following: "Content initially imported from Wikipedia to Justapedia according to the CC-BY-SA license that appears under the automated editor name Wikipedia legacy." It would be a big help! Thanks in advance for your contributions now and in the future! Justme 💬 📧 10:10, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- @Justme: Sure, I can try but it has been a long time since I have done so. Could I also be taken off CAPTCHA if I am still on it? — William Lupinacci (talk) 10:14, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- Oh, when I attribute I'd prefer to include the originals authors handles somewhere, isn't that a requirement or recommendation of the CC-BY-SA license they use? The template I create would have field for original authors. Thanks. — William Lupinacci (talk) 10:16, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- No, not required. The article page links to the WP article where the edit history remains in tact, including "about this page" in the left margin. Keep in mind, some of these articles are going to be updated and changed by Justapedists. Our primary obligation is to provide attribution for its origins which is kept where the article originated in WP's "view history". We are already taking the attribution a step further than necessary by providing the footer link. I also asked Shahadat to look into creating a template so rather than have the two of you working in different directions, I asked him to join us over at the Draft Talk page. Thank you for your patience during all this "start-up" construction. It is much appreciated. Justme 💬 📧 11:17, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- The following are required according to Creative Commons, who made the license: "If supplied [by what you got the text from], you must provide the name of the creator and attribution parties, a copyright notice, a license notice, a disclaimer notice, and a link to the material. CC licenses prior to Version 4.0 also require you to provide the title of the material if supplied, and may have other slight differences." https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en#ref-appropriate-credit. Which is why I'm adding author handles and disclaimers to those articles I modify or import. You are saying a link to the authors may be sufficient, you may be right but the template you are proposing has no such direct link. In the event the link disappears or the Wikipedians delete a page, it also becomes harder to properly attribute, which is the goal. To me it makes the most sense to have full page histories or at least a list of author handles on this wiki itself. I am not an admin so it is your decision, but those articles which I touch I want to and am going to follow the license to the best of my ability unless someone can show me, using text on the Creative Commons website, how I am doing it wrong if I am. — William Lupinacci (talk) 11:21, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- I tend to trust what the Foundation attorneys tell us, not the wikilawyering over at WP which I've grown weary of as a result of recent attempts by my detractors at WP:AN to cause me harm. That discussion has since been closed, and never should have been filed in the first place. You might also read Wikipedia's license requirements which is unambiguous: Wikipedia's main license, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (CC-BY-SA), requires that any derivative of works from Wikipedia must be released under that same license, must state that it is released under that license, and must acknowledge the contributors (which can be accomplished with a link back to that article on Wikipedia). But...if it makes you feel better to add more pseudonyms for editor's whose RL id is unknown, that is your prerogative, and we want you to be a happy editor. Read JP's footer which includes the proper attribution on all of our pages. Happy editing! Justme 💬 📧 12:44, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- As Wikipedia itself says the explicit publishing of handles on-wiki are unnecessary as you've shown, then yea I don't wanna keep including the handles and will replace them with the link. It seems there is indeed misinformation floating out and about. I am however not a lawyer as well and so don't want to draft template legalese. I can help make it more pretty with styling or something, but I don't want to carry that burden — William Lupinacci (talk) 12:54, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- I tend to trust what the Foundation attorneys tell us, not the wikilawyering over at WP which I've grown weary of as a result of recent attempts by my detractors at WP:AN to cause me harm. That discussion has since been closed, and never should have been filed in the first place. You might also read Wikipedia's license requirements which is unambiguous: Wikipedia's main license, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (CC-BY-SA), requires that any derivative of works from Wikipedia must be released under that same license, must state that it is released under that license, and must acknowledge the contributors (which can be accomplished with a link back to that article on Wikipedia). But...if it makes you feel better to add more pseudonyms for editor's whose RL id is unknown, that is your prerogative, and we want you to be a happy editor. Read JP's footer which includes the proper attribution on all of our pages. Happy editing! Justme 💬 📧 12:44, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- The following are required according to Creative Commons, who made the license: "If supplied [by what you got the text from], you must provide the name of the creator and attribution parties, a copyright notice, a license notice, a disclaimer notice, and a link to the material. CC licenses prior to Version 4.0 also require you to provide the title of the material if supplied, and may have other slight differences." https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en#ref-appropriate-credit. Which is why I'm adding author handles and disclaimers to those articles I modify or import. You are saying a link to the authors may be sufficient, you may be right but the template you are proposing has no such direct link. In the event the link disappears or the Wikipedians delete a page, it also becomes harder to properly attribute, which is the goal. To me it makes the most sense to have full page histories or at least a list of author handles on this wiki itself. I am not an admin so it is your decision, but those articles which I touch I want to and am going to follow the license to the best of my ability unless someone can show me, using text on the Creative Commons website, how I am doing it wrong if I am. — William Lupinacci (talk) 11:21, 13 December 2023 (AST)
- No, not required. The article page links to the WP article where the edit history remains in tact, including "about this page" in the left margin. Keep in mind, some of these articles are going to be updated and changed by Justapedists. Our primary obligation is to provide attribution for its origins which is kept where the article originated in WP's "view history". We are already taking the attribution a step further than necessary by providing the footer link. I also asked Shahadat to look into creating a template so rather than have the two of you working in different directions, I asked him to join us over at the Draft Talk page. Thank you for your patience during all this "start-up" construction. It is much appreciated. Justme 💬 📧 11:17, 13 December 2023 (AST)
Upgraded user rights
I saw where you were having an issue at Papantonio's article, so I upgraded your user rights to see if that makes the issue go away. Justme made an edit and added Test in the lead. I will delete that now. Ping me if you're still having issues. We may need to escalate in order to find out what filter is causing this. — Factsfirst (talk) 16:09, 27 March 2025 (AST)
@Justme:, this did solve the issue for myself, thank you. Discussion of if it as an issue for those without expanded privileges I left at the relevant talk page. — William Lupinacci (talk) 06:44, 28 March 2025 (AST)